I think its time to stop

Ive been using "hemp disposables" that are quite obviously (and notoriously) noids for some while now, but its just becoming to much of a hassle to keep buying.

The pens are called butterfly pens. Havent seen a ton of info out there on them, but im pretty sure theyre just a rebrand of magic puff. (Also, if anybody knows the name of the active chemical in these, thatd be dope)

It comes in a disposable e cig form (pre loaded) so its hard to tell how much usage i can get off of any given pen.

Anyway. Im either looking for a different noid that i can more easily manage my intake (like something in juice or physical form). If i cant find another noid to replace this with i hope to find another rc.

It is important for me not to take any illegal substances that may show up on drug tests.

Additionally, i would like to ask for those feeling inclined to save the "noids are bad mkay" speech for now. I acknowledge that they are and that i have an undesirable habit with them. Although they dont have any overtly negative physical effects on me, i feel they are too convenient to keep buying; thus my need for a replacement.

Rip your kidneys bro, shit is more toxic than you realize because you're still consuming. Either that or you're suicidal.

There's a reason there's nobody on this sub bud. I suggest you try methamphetamine it's much less addicting, more enjoyable and has a greater safety profile and history of use than, whatever chemical you've been smoking. (How would I know because what ARE you smoking) xD

Oof man. You went ahead and replied anyway. Im gonna rip my kidneys if i consume table salt for the rest of my life. Ooh. Or maybe if i relapse back to roxys (havent touched an opiate, prescribed or otherwise in 4 years) which have detrimental effects on my body and personal life everyday. Or hey, maybe ill smoke it til im 117 and get hit upside the head by a falling piano. But, thats beside the point.

Look i would just as soon pick up a joint and never touch a noid again. Unfortunately, circumstances permit that for a year and some change, i stick to substances outside of the scope of urinalysis. .

And, well, we could get into the semantics of whether or not im suicidal or depressed but ultimately it doesnt matter. Do i want to die? No. not right now anyway. I quite enjoy life. Would i care if it was all pulled from under me? Not really. One day it will be. Is a substance affecting my survival instincts? Oh for sure. Look. Im not so naive that i think whatever im smoking isnt destructive (great thing about bud that sucks about noids;-;) but i dont like to waste time thinking of what could be or might happen. Well, it would be a lie to say i dont think about it, but i dont take much stock in it myself. Its an unknown substance. As far as my knowledge goes, the worst physical side effect this shit has is that i cant sleep without it. But the worst effect it has is that of the finances. I spend $25 on each of these things without the guarantee that theres an hour of battery life or that theres 10 hits worth of the chemical. I just want to cut that gamble out of the equation. fact of the matter is: i wanna be high and dammit these spice pens dont cut the mustard.

I guess what im trying to say is, while I appreciate your human to human empathy, i dont come to reddit for opinions or speculation. I come because i know that at any hour of the day, theres some wonderful soul hopped up on code red and cheetos dust that has been in my situation and has the info i wanna hear

Well good because I'm not speculating. You are most certainly decreasing your quality of life in the short and long term. Every evaluation of the new gen Noids has come back, nephrotoxic neurotoxic hepatoxic. I understand you don't care and I respect that but saying "to my knowledge the only negative effect is not being able to sleep"

Now that you've sat through my information, I'll give you a piece of advice that isn't sourcing. I'm not going to respond to any message asking for a source. You can get pure Noid powder from China 25,000 hits for like 200$ of bitcoin. Just realize it's going to cost you a lot more than 200$.

I have just due to lack of supply before. Ive gone a couple weeks without them at times. The couple days transition to not having it is rough (hard to sleep, a little loss of appetite) but its fine afterwards. Has nothing on an opiate withdrawal though.

I said similar stuff when I was hooked on this stuff. Your outlook on life is not too positive or cheery consuming research chemicals.

Buying noids in powder form is probably the cheapest way. Diluting it in Vapejuice the safest consuming way. (Maybe oral is better, but noone knows). Burning those leaves is probably some extra cancer

You just have to be crazy meticulous about your dilution. Most available noids are very well active below 2mg. So titrating is absolutely needed.

If you’re not feeling any ill effects yet, I’d expect it in the future. The absolute worst pain I’ve ever felt was from STG-25.

Yeah im fairly certain that the last noid i was on was some version of stg 25 (or sgt i thought it was? Who cares. Maybe its just dyslexia) I never got those ill effects in like my kidneys or anything, but i do know people who have. Whatever is in this particular one ive been on hasnt taken its toll in the roughly year ive used it, but i plan to move on before that happens anyway. Worst physical effect ive gotten is a very subtle stinging pain in my left chest (think its my lung, dont feel it in my heart) that only happens once in maybe 50 uses and isnt even uncomfortable enough to make me stop for the moment being.

I ordered 50mg of sgt and solved it to 2mg/ml. I only drip 3-5 drops of it into a 3ml tank of normal liquid. Never had any pain but it is not as enjoyable as real weed for me. Friends tell me it is far superior to weed but i can‘t agree with it.

It only has the numbing effects of weed for me. It makes me hungry as fuck but the “fun part“ is almost completely absent.

Considering your chest pain: people often comment this about 5f-adb on this subreddit. Theres a lot of posts in here of people complaining how it fucks with their body.

Most problems reported are from people smoking noids sprinkled on leafs. I guess you should avoid burning that stuff. Oral or vaping is the way to go for using noids

Yeah i used the diamond for a while, but they nerfed the chem and jacked the proce up to like $100/bottle. Ive seen other vape additives around but havent heard enough on most of them to know whether or not theyre ok buys

I took about a 9 month break from noids because I was able to smoke weed again but now that time has come to an end and I am coming back to noids to relieve stress. All my old companies have either died or switched to bitcoin only. I tried Diamond but it was absolute trash and barely made me feel anything. Need something like bizzaro or buzz.

Also yeah i aim to dilute in vape juice. It would hardly be the most challenging tek ive taken on and plus i have an oral fixation anyway. Its the crackhead in me that needs smoke.

Diluting in vape juice is definitely the cheapest but there are brands that they sell in stores depending on the state and online, most of them are considered “vape addictives” or something similar, but they can be expensive around $10 a ml, except for Kentucky which is around $3 a ml

Keep in mind that whatever i was using (butterfly pen?) had serious bang for its buck. Hit and hold for 5 seconds each and boom youre high for 30 mins

I've seen the pens and it's the oldest story in the book - you're paying for the packaging. I myself prefer to just use "vape additives". I'm staying within the rules here and not mentioning specific brands - but I'm looking at a few different kinds on my dresser right now and they all have the effect you're looking for and I'm using them for the exact reason you are. I actually just got back with a 10ml bottle of a new one I'm about to put out and APB for and see if it would compromise my situation as well. In fact, we are both in the same position and at the same crossroads. To make or not to make lol.

ANYWAYS. The path of least resistance here is to buy the bottles and not to pre-made vape pens. Huge waste of cash. I myself was a diamond and liquid gold user back in the day before they changed the formula as well. I thought that was shangri-la and couldn't get any better - I was wrong. The stuff out nowadays blows that shit right out of the water and you don't have to worry about serving the rest of your term with Big Daddy staring you up and down in orange pajamas. You can get away with just a few drops per juul pod. I'm not a habitual user and a bottle will last me months. A family member is a daily user and spends about $60 every week or two.

That's how almost any blend or noid works, instant high for 5-30 mins off a very little. Won't be the same if you smoke for a few days straight though.

If you are looking for a noid to replace whatever the hell you consumed I would look into JWH-018 or JWH-022, but good luck to you finding that. The noids used in the original days of spice were a lot like pot, had great effects, 20-40 mins of duration and did not cause terrible WD's similar to crack like today's stuff.

This stuff is easy to get hooked on, and most people will smoke it incessantly like crack cocaine when they get their hands on it.

The long term mental effects are not very fun. I know it's hard to see that when you are fucked up on this, but please consider cutting down usage or quitting cold tukey asap.

Using illicit drugs like crack or meth are safer than using this stuff and that's saying a lot! I would suggest using Kratom, or just drinking something if you need a buzz so bad.

Be careful, partner.