Information about PY & 4F ADB cannabinoids

Recently my favorite vendor starting to sell these new cannabinoids but i cant get any information about them on the web. All info i get is this.

PY full name: N-(1-Amino-1-oxo-3-phenylpropan-2-yl)-1-Butyl-1H-indazole-3-carboxamid

4F ADB full name: methyl2-(1-(4-cyanobutyl)-1h-indazole-3-carboxamido)-3.3-dimethylbutanoate

If anybody have info about dosage, potency something like that. Thank you

4fadb is the next strongest noid I believe because China recently banned 5fadb I think? So guessing that’s why it’s a new product

I wish I could help you man but I’m too wary of noids to try any ones that don’t have a psychonautwiki page or at least a lot of forum info. I’ve tried most of the JWHs and I currently have THJ-018 but that’s it

THJ is pretty nice. I'm getting to know her lately too.

I heard PY is much more potent of 5fadb I don’t want to try these newer one

Ive heard py is like nm2201 and thats not realy potent dont buy py 4f adb is a worth of try you wont regeert this

PY is weak as fuck .. and I can`t disolve it in 97%Alchool, Only if i heat the alchool in microwave for like 15s then I can disolve PY.. and even after that it`s still verry weak ..

4f adb should be realy potent i just ordered from my vendor 5 grams because less i cant order at this store ;) ive heard that 4f adb should act like 5f adb and that the dosage should be the same! I dont know what a fluor at the 4th position does to the MDMb pinaca but i think iT wont be much iT may be a little less potent or iT Will be more potent! I think that there is not much of a difference i Will report if 4f adb is good so that u Guys know if u can do ur research with this chem

Its realy potent iT is the same potent as 5f adb i dont recognize any difference

How much 4fadb are you using at a time or what ratio?

What's the duration of the 4f-adb for you. Let's say a normal dose of yours.

For a non tolerant user could be like 1h+ for high tolerance user 20-30 min.