Be careful with some of the latest noids, try request analytical reports first

Hey guys, I work as an analyst in an organic chemistry Laboratory. We sometimes get companies send in legal Novel pyshcoactive substances and I analyse them on GC-MS. Not always do I get conclusive results.

Well there has been such a flood of new noids, all with similar mass that GC-MS is providing tricky to be conclusive. We are having to outsource for NMR to make sure, We won't risk getting things like this wrong.

We've had 5F-MDMB-2201 that was actually 5F-ADB-PINACA and we have ones so far that didn't even appear in the NIST drug and chemical reference database,

Be careful guys, volumetric dosing all the way, take half what you would normally, the issues are coming from China it seems not the EU, I know the vendor the samples came from, they are legit and professional

Stay safe.

This is great information thank you.

With compounds this potent I thought I could not say something! I'd always be thinking what if.

Absolutely, especially given the fact that 5f-adb has been proven to kill, not something you'd wanna get on accident that's like getting a bag of fent on accident.

Late but I hope you see this. I am a chemist as well albeit med chem. But I'm familiar with lcms and nmr. Do you get reference standards from sigma, cayman etc? Pls don't ban me mods this isn't sourcing, those companies won't sell to the public and you can usually only get 1mg samples that cost a fortune

There are not really many reference standards available for these novel noids unfortunately. It seems that Sigma/Cerilliant only sell the old school noids like JWH and the AM2201 etc, we have never used Cayman ourselves yet but they do seem to stock a lot of the reference standards.

We have used some samples sent from trusted suppliers to build up our own library, that is how we identify a lot of novel compounds. With this particular case, the molecular ion did not match that of the compound, so we knew right away we were dealing with a different compound. We then had to do some reading and looked at the fragmentation pattern, that is when we identified it as the 5F-ADB-PINACA. Cayman Chemicals actually helped there as they list their GCMS data on their website, so you can easily check the fragment pattern.

We do cannalytics also and have also analysed CBD for the legal market, so we have purchased Delta9-THC references and Delta8-THC references with no issue at all in the EU. They were DEA exempt and here in the EU we did not need any licences to purchase them. There is a system in place where 1mg/ml reference standards for identification purposes and quantitative analysis are not usually controlled. You just have to be a company usually, they will not ship them to individuals or domestic addresses.

Id love to get a pm from you, do you know what the strongest noid is rn? Anything on 5f-adb level? I know how to use it and thats what I'm looking for

Know anything about 5fcladb?

IF DRUGS JUST WERE DANM LEGAL COULd have it so safe noids and nateral legal and dandrous ilegal instead this backwards way around.

Looking for a good vendor that has synthetic cannabinoids like fubinaca or chiminaca or something similar