Current noid withdrawal symptoms - Anyone?

First, I've dabbled with noids, even made blends and everclear solutions, since the early days of JWH and AM compounds. I took a several year break and re-entered the scene recently by using two of the popular blends that ship out of the Los Angeles area. After about a month of casual but almost daily use, I tapered off and quit. About 36 hours after my last dry herb blend vape session I started developing some pretty rough physical symptoms that I never encountered even after years of chronic start / stop use of the "legacy" compounds. The only experience I have with withdrawal is from stopping 3 years of prescribed benzo use. And these symptoms are escalating to seem very similar. Has anyone else experienced this, and if so, how long did they normally last and what were you symptoms.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

Not much good advice I see. Just people telling you it's cheap and their friends are addicted. We all know it's cheap to make this shit. Here's the real WD story, from someone who used 8 years, and is 9 months sober from it.

Not sure what you were using, but I'm sure you were jacked up nodding on and off all the time using the products in your stop, start run fiending feverishly and re-upping a ton. It's how this stuff is. Crack Bud.

First off, sleep is going to be almost impossible for a little while, if you have something to help with it, I suggest taking it. I still have trouble getting quality sleep after 9 months of no-usage because of the nodding and stimmy feel.

Mind will be racing like crazy for a few days or so, anxiety and depression will be constant.

You will lose interest in most things you like, thinking you need the chemicals to enjoy them.

Going to be on edge, avoid situations that are stressful, drama filled and don't take things too seriously, because you will. Your body will feel hurt, in pain, fragile, like your bones are brittle.

You are going to be mad as hell, paranoid, anxious the most and want to get another sack to correct it. But that will only make it worse in the long run.

Fight through the terrible WD's, and never order any more. You'd be better off smoking crack.

Hit me up if u need any advice.

Thank for responding to my actual question as opposed to telling me stuff everyone in the RC community already has a working knowledge of. Basically it sounds like I'm going to have a lesser, shorter version of a benzo style of withdrawal. Great. It baffles me that I have heavily tested JWH-018, AM-2201, JWH-250, JWH-019, etc, etc, etc over the span of 5+ years and never personally encountered the "moreish" and dope sick traits of this stuff. I never nodded on this stuff surprisingly, but I was sucking the guts out of a Pax vape nearly non-stop during a day of use.

God I wish MXE was still available....

Well...it's been roughly 7 days since I stopped casually vaping this stuff and I finally started crapping solid and not feeling like death. Overall motivation is still at zero. Any degree of exercise or exertion results in heavy sweating, jittery muscles and a racing heart. The worst part is that I am getting hit with sudden, unprovoked waves of harsh anxiety that borderline what I guess would be described as panic attacks. I've never had a panic attack in my entire life and have never been an anxious person. Not even when I was pen cap pouring AM-2201 into a bowl. I have a new found respect for those who suffer from panic or anxiety disorders.

I'll keep updating as this process of returning to baseline progresses. My decision to screw with these new noids has to be one of the most ignorant things I've ever done.

A few months ago I went through a month or so of smoking an LA-based blend sold online that rhymed with “sister aggie”. I started because I’m on probation and initially it felt like weed. Once I increased consumption and blend strengths, I started having depression, mood swings, etc, bad stuff. When I would run out a nasty w/d feeling creeped up until the new bag arrived.

I realized I needed to quit the shit so I stopped. The withdrawals lasted a few days, generally weak, depressed, loss of interest feelings. Hopelessness, anger, nihilism, etc. After some time it went away, probably around a week. To get through it I used huge doses of melatonin to sleep which helped. I also kept solid with my vitamins and drank lots of beer in the evenings to help take my mind off it.

You have to ride it out, do not get more and try to taper, you’ll only make it worse. You will return to your normal self, just give it a little time. Kratom and alcohol will help get your mind off it, melatonin will help you sleep. Good on you for quitting, you can do this

Thank you. That's what I'm looking for.

Yes, I spent some time with the same Sister Aggie and her devilish brother "Soul" from LA. While together we didn't even burn anything, just used a Pax 3. The mental adventures we went on were lame in comparison to the legacy compounds of 5+ years ago. Mostly nervous energy, jittery anxiety, pacing, coughing and extreme munchies. What surprised me, aside from the almost benzo like withdrawal symptoms, was how "moreish" this stuff was. It had me doing weird zombie like sh*t at all hours of the day and night, but I didn't fully realize it until I stopped. Had I burned the stuff, or increased the amount, I probably would have stripped naked and been peeking through the blinds looking for bush monkeys in a matter of days.

Thanks again for the insight on the recovery timeline. I've endured a Doctor prescribed benzo dependency withdrawal process and hopefully this won't compare to that.

No problem dude, I hope my report was helpful. I read a post by someone on a now banned sub called noidselite saying that they knew someone who’d been smoking exclusively sister Aggie and was tested by a probation officer who was apparently hip to the noise thing and ran an advanced noid test and came up positive for amb-fub. I realize that me saying this is two layers of separation from the original report, but I don’t know why anyone would lie about that. I hope you’re doing better. I smoked the old school spice as well, a jwh-018/073 mix in powder form I made my own blends from 5 years or so ago, it was pretty badass and nothing like these sinister analogs going around now. I learned my lesson, sounds like you did too. I honestly hope this sub now functions as a purely harm reduction forum, convincing people to not get started on noids or if they are using to stop. The shit is bad news now, the downsides vastly outweigh the positives on such a level that telling people to avoid them could be saving lives.

Oh lord. No wonder you were stressed. That stuff that rhymes with Sister Aggie, Chris Bosh and Beaver are very strange. Made by the same vendor IMO as well, come from a similar area in Cali. The funny thing is from like 2010-2014, Bosh and Aggie were a lot like pot, now it's crack.

you want insight. you paid hundreds of dollars for 25 cents worth of Chinese bathtub chemicals. you don't even know what you were smoking. these new noids are probably nephrotoxic and EXTREMELY addictive. count yourself lucky that you're able to stop.

Yeah, I pretty much have a clear understanding of the cost to price ratio and that it's not like eating organic produce from the Farmer's Market in terms of overall health benefit. I was looking for some insight as to the withdrawal symptoms, specifically average duration, following light exposure to modern day noid compounds. I don't have as great of depth of knowledge as someone who, say, consumed 50mg of FUB-AMB in a week or so.

Last about a week almost, you basically over excessively your brain chemical balance off so take some vitamins, natural detoxing ingredients and just keep your mind occupied, this shit destroys lives, I wanted to get back into it so many times, but after getting back to myself lately. I'll just drink a beer or two at night and rather nod off with that. My old friends still doing it, and is texting me about every week telling me he has bags, I just like "ok" thinking have fun destroying your life and your gealth, dudes around 45 and living with his parents cause his wife kicked him out due to it. Sad shit, but he never learned...

my only experience is with the compound amb fubinaca. I abused it moderately for a week and then after a small binge overdosed myself on a massive amount. I stopped cold turkey and the withdrawls I would describe as feelings of hopelessness and anxiety that lasted for a couple days at most. I however only used for like 2 weeks at most.

How did you know you were actually smoking amb fubinaca from the story you mentioned above? Did you oversee the Chinese manufacturing process? Did you calibrate the testing equipment and personally publish the purity report for the specific batch you consumed from? Saying "....doesn't even know what he was/is smoking lol" can be said about nearly every RC ordered.

I'm simply looking for people who have had recovery experiences with modern day, currently available, blends? That's it.